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It is not a clash of civilizations…

8 Fevereiro, 2009

Para ouvir e sublinhar a frontalidade….Não sei durante quanto tempo estará disponível este link para a entrevista de Wafa Sultan, à MemriTV do Dubai:

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  1. Luis Marques's avatar
    Luis Marques permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 10:22

    Não a MEMRITV do Dubai…

    Mas à Al-Jazeera TV no Qatar….

    Mais:

    The Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI for short, is a Middle Eastern press monitoring organization located in Washington, D.C., with branch offices in Jerusalem, Berlin, London, Rome, Shanghai and Tokyo. It provides translations of Arabic and Persian media as well as “original analyses of political, ideological, intellectual, social, cultural, and religious trends in the Middle East.”
    MEMRI was founded in 1998 by Israeli Yigal Carmon along with Dr. Meyrav Wurmser.

    Quanto à Wafa Sultan, vale o que pesa… e tem coragem que poucos nesta terra têm…

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  2. Piscoiso's avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 10:41

    A mulher é uma máquina a falar.
    Falta o contraditório.

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  3. Desconhecida's avatar
    luis permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 10:54

    O problema do ocidente é que não entrevista nem passa entrevistas com muçulmanos seculares, que poderiam ajudar a dar voz aos moderados. Antes, passam a vida a dar voz aos radicais enfurecidos a ameaçar com a morte e a destruição……

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  4. Desconhecida's avatar
    João Santos permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 11:00

    Ao comentário 2. no mundo do islão não há contraditório. É proibido criticar o islão. O contraditório é quando muito a pena de morte, para os heréticos, tal como diz o barbudo que a interrompe ” és uma herética ” ou seja, vais morrer…..O barbudo não tem argumentos ( podem ver a entrevista na totalidade na MEMERI TV )e só lhe resta a ameaça ” és heretica “.No mundo islamico o castigo para os hereticos ´
    é a pena de morte. Salmon Rushdi, Teo Van Gog, e muitos outros, foram vitimas do contraditório islamico…..

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  5. Piscoiso's avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 11:20

    Só que não estamos no mundo do Islão, onde o monólogo é mostrado.

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  6. .'s avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 11:54

    não devia ser motivo de admiração alguém dizer isto que a senhora diz. O nosso espanto por ouvir uma mulher, de origem síria, fazê-lo é a prova de que ela tem razão.

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  8. Jorge's avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 11:58

    «Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throuw them at me.»

    Excelente!

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  9. Pedro Esteves's avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 12:28

    link da mesma entrevista mas no youtube:

    para o 3.Luis:

    Mas quais seculares, que poderiam ajudar a dar voz aos moderados ???
    Aqueles que só falam a parte que lhes convém?? Que pretendem realçar o suposto lado positivo do Islão, ao mesmo tempo que escamoteiam e relativizam todas as atrocidades e comportamentos bárbaros estimulados por a sua doutrina?

    Sugiro que vá conhecer melhor o islão, antes de falar em muslos moderados…

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  10. Luis Dias's avatar
    Luis Dias permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 12:39

    Porra, fez o meu dia! Que mulheraça! Que coragem! Mais, mais gente assim por favor! E que as mulheres do Ocidente lhe sigam os passos, ao invés de cooperarem com estas tretas todas. Espectacular, é o que tenho a dizer. Só espero que não a assassinem por isto.

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  11. Luis Marques's avatar
    Luis Marques permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 12:42

    Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Al-Zughbi Draws Lessons from the Battles of Early Islam, Prays for the Annihilation of U.S., European Leaders

    Following are excerpts from an address by Egyptian cleric Muhammad Al-Zughbi, which aired on Al-Rahma TV on January 12, 2009:

    To view this clip, visit http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2012.htm.

    TO VIEW THIS CLIP AND OTHERS, YOU MUST LOG IN/REGISTER FOR MEMRI TV, AT http://subscriptions.memri.org/content/en/member_registr_tv.htm. REGISTRATION IS FREE OF CHARGE

    “The Accursed Europe Stood By The Accused Jews… The Pulverized United States – I Pray That Allah Destroys It And Saves The Muslims From It – Stood By These [Jews]”

    Muhammad Al-Zughbi: “The accursed Europe stood by the accused Jews, as is its custom. The pulverized United States – I pray that Allah destroys it and saves the Muslims from it – stood by these [Jews]. Today, it sent them over 40,000 tons of weapons, bullets, mortars, and missile launchers. Yes, they sent them crushing weapons. They sent them bombs.” […]

    “One of the Qureish Horsemen… Cried: Who Dares To Fight Me? Hamza Stepped Up Against Him; See What Self-Confidence! He Placed His Trust In Allah”

    “[At the Battle of Uhud,] Abu Shaiba challenged [the Muslims] to a duel. He was such a champion that even the Muslims nicknamed him ‘the Ram of the Battalion.’ The Ram of the Battalion – he was strong. He was one of the Qureish horsemen. He cried: Who dares to fight me?

    “Hamza stepped up against him. See what self-confidence! He placed his trust in Allah. They exchanged two blows. Then, Hamza landed a blow, which cut his hand and shoulder, and split his chest down to the navel, until his lung was exposed. See what bravery. See how a strong Muslim strikes. He landed a blow that cut his hand and his shoulder, and all the way to his navel, exposing his lung. A single blow of the sword, and he went straight to Hell..

    […]

    “There was a strong man from among the polytheists, who was finishing off any wounded Muslims he saw. He would look for the wounded, cut off their heads, and mutilate their bodies. Whenever he found a wounded man, he would kill him. He would kill him! Not only that, but he would mutilate their bodies.

    “Abu Dujana approached him. The polytheist was like a mule. A big jackass – like that accursed, shoe-stricken, big jackass from the White House, the one with the two big ears. A Jackass. A big jackass. Or like that lowlife [Olmert], who slaughters the Palestinians, who faces 13 corruption charges, including one for sexual harassment. May Allah curse him and all his supporters.

    “The big jackass came up to him. Al-Zubeir says: [Al-Dujana] was small, but the other one was a real mule. He was like all those Jewish and American mules. Zubeir said: I followed them to see what they were doing. They exchanged two blows. Abu Dujana deflected the blow with his shield. Then Abu Dujana jumped on him and finished him off. He killed him on the spot.

    “Zubeir said: I kept following him. I saw him turn towards a horseman, who was tearing Muslims to pieces. He crept up behind him, but as he was about to bring his sword down on his neck, he suddenly heard loud wailing of women. You know how it goes… He was surprised, so he lifted his sword rather than bring it down on the man’s neck. It turned out it was a woman – Hind bint Utbah, the wife of Abu Sufyan. She was slaughtering Muslims, sowing death among them. Hamza said: No, the sword of the Prophet is too lofty to be used to kill a woman. By Allah, I will never do it. I will never strike a woman with the sword of the Prophet.”

    “The [Jews] Say: We Are The Second Most Powerful Force…On Earth – And America Keeps Supporting Them – May Allah Blow Up All Of Them; The EU Supports Them… May Allah Annihilate Its Leaders”

    “The Jewish dogs should learn moral values from us. He defeated this woman, who slaughtered Muslims and mutilated their bodies, but he refused to kill a woman with the sword of the Prophet – not a woman or a child. Have these dogs learnt this lesson? They slaughter women and children, and the other dogs keep sending them weapons. May Allah finish all of them off. May Allah destroy them completely.

    […]

    “The [Jews] say: We are the second most powerful force on the face of the Earth. And America keeps supporting them – may Allah blow up all of them. The EU supports them with all its might – may Allah annihilate its leaders.”

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  12. Luis Marques's avatar
    Luis Marques permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 12:55

    Oriana Fallaci: Muslim Target

    Oriana Fallaci is 75 years old. The renowned Italian journalist lives in hiding because of death threats she received after the publication in 2001 of her book The Rage and the Pride. She is dying of cancer. And now she is going to go on trial for “defaming Islam.”
    The complaint comes from Adel Smith, president of the Muslim Union of Italy, who was never charged with defaming Christianity after he referred to a crucifix as a “miniature cadaver” during his 2003 efforts to have depictions of Christ on the Cross removed from Italian schools.[1] He has amassed a reputation as something of a crank after demanding that Christians deny aspects of their faith that offended his Islamic sensibilities: he has called for the destruction of Giovanni da Modena’s fresco The Last Judgment in the 14th-century cathedral of San Petronio in Bologna, Italy, because that priceless expression of Medieval Christianity depicts the Muslim Prophet Muhammad in hell.[2] And in the mother of all frivolous lawsuits, Smith in February 2004 he brought suit against Pope John Paul II and Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, for offending Islam by expressing in various writings their opinion, utterly unremarkable from two Christian leaders, that Christianity is unique and superior to other religions, including Islam.[3]

    His new suit against Fallaci is hardly less frivolous, but Smith was able to find a judge willing to play along. Judge Armando Grasso of the Italian city of Bergamo ruled in a preliminary hearing that Fallaci’s latest book, La Forza della Ragione (The Force of Reason), contained eighteen statements “unequivocally offensive to Islam and Muslims,” and that therefore she must be tried.[4] He was working from a list compiled by Smith, who complained that Fallaci has “propagated hate against Islam and Muslims, distorting real historical facts and inventing others, lying, offending, and defaming Muslims around the world.”[5] Smith exulted at Grasso’s decision: “It is the first time a judge has ordered a trial for defamation of the Islamic faith. But this isn’t just about defamation. We would also like (the court) to recognize that this is an incitement to religious hatred.”[6]

    Italian Justice Minister Roberto Castelli was unhappy with Grasso’s decision. “In Europe,” he declared, “we are seeing the birth of a movement that is looking to silence those who don’t follow a single mindset, within which it is forbidden to speak ill of Islam….In Fallaci’s book there is very strong criticism but not defamation.”[7]

    The trial will need to employ a battery of historians: several of Fallaci’s offending eighteen statements are simply assertions of historical fact. If they were false, Smith might have a case, although he would do better in a free society to provide documentation of their falsehood than to run to the courts to silence Fallaci. Of course, Islamic groups in the West have not hesitated to object to true characterizations of Islam when they find them inconvenient: last March the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) waged a successful campaign to have National Review remove from sale by its book service a “virulently Islamophobic” book, The Life and Religion of Mohammed by J. L. Menezes. CAIR objected to the book’s unfavorable depiction of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as a licentious and bloodthirsty warrior. However, during the entire campaign CAIR wisely never asserted that anything the book said was actually false — and it wasn’t.[8] The point of their campaign, like Smith’s, may have been to silence voices that dare to point out the role that Islam has played in the rise of modern-day global terrorism. But Smith has gone beyond CAIR in claiming that Fallaci is “distorting real historical facts and inventing others,” and “lying.” One good result of her trial would be the establishment in court that Fallaci was telling the truth all along.

    It is useful to go through Fallaci’s eighteen outrages, as specified in Smith’s complaint, in order to see just how devious and devoid of substance Smith’s suit is:
    1. Fallaci asserts that when jihad warriors occupied the Abbey of Montecassino in Italy in 883, “the Muslims amused themselves by sacrificing each night the virginity of a nun. Do you know where? On the altar of the cathedral.”[9] I have been unable to find historical corroboration of this without unduly delaying the completion of this article; Fallaci, who is not a historian, does not footnote her work. It is, however, well established that the invading jihadists sacked and burned the Abbey, killing its abbot, St. Bertarius.

    Would they have stopped short of raping nuns and defiling the cathedral altar? Islamic law suggests otherwise. The Qur’an permits Muslim men to have intercourse with their wives and their slave girls: “Forbidden to you are … married women, except those whom you own as slaves” (Sura 4:23-24). The slave girls are understood to be the wives of men slain in battle by the warriors of jihad. The Islamic legal manual ‘Umdat al-Salik, which carries the endorsement of Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, stipulates: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.”[10] Why? So that they are free to become the concubines of their captors.

    The Prophet Muhammad originated such legislation. After one successful battle, he told his men, “Go and take any slave girl.” He took one for himself also. One well-attested Islamic tradition records that “the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day.”[11] Juwairiya bint Harith became the Prophet’s seventh wife.

    After his notorious massacre of the Jewish Qurayzah tribe, he did it again. According to his earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad “went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for [the men of Banu Qurayza] and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.” After killing “600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900,” the Prophet of Islam took a woman whom he had just widowed, Rayhana bint Amr, as another concubine.[12] There is no tradition recording the consent of either Juwairiya or Rayhana.

    According to a generally accepted Islamic tradition, when Muhammad’s men emerged victorious in another battle, they presented him with an ethical question: “We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl [coitus interruptus] with them.” Muhammad told them: “It is better that you should not do it, for Allah has written whom He is going to create till the Day of Resurrection.’”[13] When Muhammad said “it is better that you should not do it,” he was referring to coitus interruptus, not to raping their captives. He took that for granted.

    There is abundant evidence that Muslims behaved this way even when nuns were involved. When jihadists captured Thessalonica in 904, just over twenty years after sacking Montecassino, an eyewitness recorded that “nuns, petrified with fear, with their hair disheveled, tried to escape, and ended up by the thousands in the hands of the barbarians, who killed the older ones, and sent the younger and more attractive ones into captivity and dishonor… The Saracens also massacred the unfortunate people who had sought refuge inside churches.”[14] And when the children and spiritual heirs of those jihadists streamed into Constantinople on May 29, 1453, historian Steven Runciman notes that “some of the younger nuns preferred martyrdom to dishonour and flung themselves to death down well-shafts.”[15] It is unclear whether these sisters had been reading dastardly Islamophobic propaganda or the life of the Prophet.

    As for Fallaci’s assertion about altars, Runciman suggests that such things happened in churches in fallen Constantinople, noting primly that “there were scenes of ribaldry in the churches.”[16]

    2. I do not know Fallaci’s source for her assertion that in Constantinople in 1453 the Muslims “decapitated even newborns. And extinguished candles with their little heads.” Runciman does note that the Muslim conqueror Mehmet was hardly a strong advocate of children’s rights: “Mehmet was said himself to have sent four hundred Greek children as a gift to each of the three leading Moslem potentates of the time, the Sultan of Egypt, the King of Tunis and the King of Grenada.”[17] Or is Smith offended not at the idea that Mehmet would have killed children, even newborn babies? According to Runciman, the conquerors “slew everyone that they met in the streets, men, women and children without discrimination.”[18] Or is Smith’s problem with Fallaci’s statement the idea that the Muslims would have treated the corpses in so barbarous a fashion? In that case, he should sue not Fallaci, but the Muslim scholars and spokesmen who justified the mutilation of corpses in Fallujah in 2004.[19]

    3. Fallaci aroused Smith’s ire also by asserting that “in a woman the Qur’an sees above all a womb to give birth.” Yet the Qur’an does liken a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (2:223). The Prophet Muhammad added that “if a woman spends the night deserting her husband’s bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband),” and “The right a husband acquires over the wife is that she should not keep herself away from him [even] if they were on the back of a camel and he desired her and tried to take her.”[20] Hardly ringing endorsements of the equality of dignity of women with men.

    4. Fallaci declares: “In the dream that the sons of Allah have been nurturing for years, the dream of blowing up Giotto’s Tower or the Tower of Pisa or the cupola of St. Peter’s or the Eiffel Tower or Westminster Abbey or the cathedral of Cologne and so on…” This element of Smith’s complaint seems predicated on the world forgetting that 9/11 ever happened. Smith evidently is banking on Italian officials also forgetting the numerous jihad terrorists who have been arrested in Europe — notably the Algerian jihadists who were arrested in February before they could carry out their plan to blow up the Eiffel Tower.[21]

    5. “Halal butchery is barbarous,” opines Fallaci, and criticizes Jewish butchery laws in the same breath. If such opinions are to be designated “hate speech,” I expect PETA activists will soon be rounded up and jailed.

    6. In France, says Fallaci, “Islamic racism, that is the hatred of the infidel-dogs, reigns supreme and is never put on trial, never punished. Where the Muslims declare openly: ‘We must take advantage of the democratic space that France offers us, we must exploit democracy, that is, make use of it to occupy territory.’ Where not a few of them add: ‘In Europe the Nazi position was not understood. Or not by all. It was judged a vehicle of homicidal folly, when actually Hitler was a great man.’”

    Why, what Muslim would have said such a thing in France? Hmm. Maybe Rabah Zehani, who in Lyon pelted his Jewish neighbors with a stone while shouting, “Dirty Jew, Hitler didn’t finish the job”? Or the Muslim schoolchildren who scrawled “Death to the Jews” on their school walls outside Paris?[22]

    7. Fallaci: Muslims think that “biology is a shameless science because it is occupied with the human body and sex.” Here again Smith seems to have difficulty with the challenges that will come from living in a free society. Charges like this have been leveled against Christianity for years, and no one has brought any lawsuits.

    8. Fallaci: “We will have to resign ourselves to the yoke of a creed that…instead of love spreads hatred and instead of liberty slavery.” Here again, Smith’s complaint founders on the facts. The Qur’an tells Muslims not to love their enemies, but to be “merciful to one another” and “ruthless to the unbelievers” (48:29). The notorious and now-disbanded jihadist group in England, Al-Muhajiroun, in March 2004 held a seminar entitled “The obligation of inciting religious hatred.”[23] Or as a young Muslim recently wrote to me: “I hate you for the sake of Allaah and I make du’a [i.e., I pray] for your destruction.”[24]

    And slavery? Practiced today only in Muslim countries (notably Sudan and Mauritania), where it is justified on Islamic grounds (it is taken for granted in the Qur’an).

    9. Fallaci complains of “a Right and a Left . . . that (in Italy) are both on the side of the enemy (Islam).” Is Smith’s problem with this that Islam is characterized as the enemy? That characterization originated with jihad warriors such as Osama bin Laden, who declared war against the West in the 1990s, not with Fallaci.

    10. Fallaci: “The demands of the Islamics with regard to school curricula mean that in literature classes ‘we will not be allowed to include for example The Divine Comedy…nor the Canticle of Creatures nor the Sacred Hymns of Alessandra Manzoni…” Coming from a man who has demanded the destruction of Modena’s fresco in Bologna, this is a curious element of the complaint.

    11. Fallaci disdains “…the uncouth wailing of the muezzin…” Apparently now even matters of taste are to be subject to the Thought Police.

    12. Fallaci: Over the last twenty years terrorists have killed six thousand people “to the glory of the Qur’an. In obedience to its verses.” Does Smith know that Osama bin Laden praised Allah for the Verse of the Sword (Qur’an 9:5) in a 2003 sermon?[25] Or that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has published a detailed defense of his actions, based on the Qur’an and Islamic tradition?[26] Or that jihadists are making recruits around the world among Muslims by appealing to the Qur’an and presenting themselves as the exponents of “pure Islam”?[27]

    13. Fallaci: “Our Jesus of Nazareth . . . they put him in their Danna where he eats like Trimalchio, drinks like a drunkard, screws like a sexual maniac.” “Danna,” or jannah, is Islamic Paradise, where the food, drink, and women are indeed plentiful (cf. Qur’an 13:35, 44:54, 47:15, etc.). As Jesus is considered a prophet of Islam, he would indeed be considered to be in Paradise. Fallaci’s description of that Paradise is pejorative but undeniably accurate.

    14. Fallaci: “The revolting, reactionary, obtuse, feudal Right is found today only in Islam. It is Islam.” Although Smith objects to this, he doesn’t seem to have said anything about Hani Ramadan, the Muslim scholar who defended stoning adulterers in a Paris magazine.[28]

    15. Fallaci decries “the mutilation that the Muslims force on little girls to prevent them, once they are grown…from enjoying the sexual act. It is a female castration that the Muslims practice in twenty-eight countries of Islamic Africa and because of which two million persons die each year from sepsis or loss of blood…” Would Smith have us believe that Fallaci invented this? When Norway’s Parliament, faced with ever-increasing evidence of the practice among Muslim immigrants, just this week introduced legislation to make examinations for female genital mutilation mandatory?[29]

    16. Fallaci: Italians, resigned to their Islamization and thoroughly secularized, “are not offended when Islamic immigrants urinate on their monuments or soil the sacristies of their churches or toss their crucifixes out the window of a hospital.” They won’t be able to toss them out of schools — Adel Smith has made sure of that. But does this sort of thing happen? Certainly — and Italians do indeed meet it passively. One school in Rome last year even scrapped its annual Christmas play in favor of “Little Red Riding Hood” in order to avoid offending Muslims.[30] The better to eat you with, indeed.

    17. Fallaci: “Islam is a pond. And a pond is a trough of stagnant water…it is never purified…it is easily polluted, like a watering hole for livestock of little value. The pond does not love life: It loves death…” Perhaps Smith should direct his complaint to Maulana Inyadullah of al-Qaeda, who bragged shortly after 9/11: “The Americans love Pepsi-Cola, we love death.”[31]

    18. Fallaci: “Despite the massacres through which the sons of Allah have bloodied us and bloodied themselves for over thirty years, the war that Islam has declared against the West…is a cultural war…they kill us in order to bend us. To intimidate us…Their goal is not to fill cemeteries. Not to destroy our skyscrapers…It is to destroy our soul, our ideas. Our feelings and our dreams. It is to subjugate the West once again.”

    Smith doubtless hopes that we have never heard of the Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-‘Arifi, Imam of the King Fahd Defense Academy, who declared recently: “We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims…will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…”[32] Smith is betting that most Westerners will never hear of the influential Sheikh Yusef Al-Qaradawi, who has been praised as a reformist by dhimmi academic John Esposito.[33] Qaradawi has written that “Islam will return to Europe as a conqueror and victor, after being expelled from it twice…I maintain that the conquest this time will not be by the sword but by preaching and ideology…”[34]

    Fallaci remains defiant: “This trial is not against me. Nor is it a trial brought by a judge in search of publicity. It is a trial aimed at creating a Precedent, the Fallaci Case. I will not deign to honor them with my presence. This lawsuit is unacceptable, unpardonable. To distort a person’s thought, pick at a word here and another there, sew it all together with little dots, is illegitimate. Illicit. Illegal. Criminal. Contrary to every moral and intellectual decency. For shame!”[35]

    During a speech in Washington in 2002, Fallaci said: “The hate for the West swells like a fire fed by the wind. The clash between us and them is not a military one. It is a cultural one, a religious one, and the worst is still to come.” The suit against her is just one hint of that terrible denouement.

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  13. OLP's avatar
    OLP permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 12:55

    #2- Aquilo não é um monólogo. É a sua tia Albertina ela própria no contraditório depois de anos e anos a ouvi-lo.

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  14. Piscoiso's avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 13:14

    A minha tia Albertina não se dedica à publicidade e nem tem nenhum sobrinho árabe.

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  15. Luis Marques's avatar
    Luis Marques permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 14:30

    Ottawa radio host chastized for making “abusive and discriminatory,” but true, statements about Islam and Muslims

    Green: He posed a question

    Green asked, “Is there something inherent in the Muslim faith that promotes violence and oppression of women?” Hmmm, let’s see.

    The Qur’an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (2:223).

    The Qur’an also declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (2:282).

    It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (4:3).

    It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (4:11).

    Worst of all, the Qur’an tells husbands to beat their disobedient wives: “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them” (4:34).

    It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” (65:4).

    Nor is that all. There are ahadith in which Muhammad says that hell is filled with many more women than men, there are Islamic legal justifications for child marriage, stoning for adultery, honor killing, and female genital mutilation, and there is abundant evidence that these views of women have created hardened cultural attitudes across the Islamic world that institutionalize misery for women and discrimination against them.

    All that is fine, however, with our cultural and political elites — but woe betide the non-Muslim, like Lowell Green, who dares to make reference to it.

    Free Speech Death Watch Update: “Ottawa radio station chastised for comments on Muslims,” by Chris Cobb for the Ottawa Citizen, February 6 (thanks to the indomitable and magnificent Kathy Shaidle, who asks, “Dear me: how all this ‘words can rape, maim and leave you for dead in a ditch!!’ alchemy operates is an awful big mystery to poor stupid rightwinger me… “):

    OTTAWA — A veteran open-line radio host in Ottawa contravened Canadian broadcasting standards when he made “abusive and discriminatory” remarks against Muslims, the national broadcast watchdog ruled Friday.
    According to the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, Lowell Green launched an “uninformed and unfair” attack when he told his CFRA audience in early December that the majority of Muslims are fanatics, and extremist behaviour is symptomatic of the religion, not just a radical minority.

    “Uninformed,” yes. Those who notice Islamic jihad and the Islamic justifications made for it by its Muslim perpetrators are always “uninformed.” Those who turn a blind eye to it all are the ones who are “informed.”

    Green had been inspired by the story of British schoolteacher Gillian Gibbons, whose elementary class in the Sudanese capital Khartoum named a teddy bear “Muhammad,” causing a storm of outrage across the Muslim world.
    Gibbons was forced to leave the country after being threatened with imprisonment and death.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that, apparently.

    Green posed the question to listeners: “Is there something inherent in the Muslim faith that promotes violence and oppression of women?”
    He posed a question! Horror of horrors!

    In response to one Muslim caller who tried to defend Islam, Green responded: “Baloney,” and during another call, told a sympathetic, but apparently non-Muslim, caller that she had “abandoned common sense” and was being “silly.”
    “Almost every act of terrorism around the world today is carried out in the name of Islam,” responded Green. “Don’t tell me this is the work of a few fanatics.”

    A position that can be abundantly supported by mountains of evidence.

    The broadcast watchdog, an arm’s-length organization created and funded by private broadcasters to rule on listener and viewer complaints, was especially critical of Green for refusing to listen to pro-Islam callers, especially those who were clearly informed about the religion.
    “The host has mounted a sweeping, abusive and unduly discriminatory criticism of Islam,” it said.

    Worse, said the CBSC report, was the manner in which the broadcaster dismissed those who disagreed with him.

    “Green did not merely disagree with opposing points of view,” it said. “He mocked, ridiculed and insulted their interlocutors.”

    Well, then, he must be silenced!

    Under CBSC rules, stations violating rules must broadcast the decision, but there is no other punishment.
    Yet.

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  16. Francesco's avatar
    Francesco permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 14:55

    O que por aqui vai!
    Mas a minha grande surpresa é saber que o Piscoiso afinal é muçulmano. E eu que o julgava agnóstico…

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  17. psicossomatico's avatar
    psicossomatico permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 15:39

    Nao Francesco, o Piscoiso e’ um gajo muito a’ frente e moderno. ‘E um gajo simplesmente brilhante, um filosofo ate’. Veja por exemplo a obra “Os conselhos da minhas tias” que certamente vai servir de base para o estudo do pensamento moderno e integracionista do sec xxi. Um mimo de inteligencia que vaqueia pela blogosfera.

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  18. Francesco's avatar
    Francesco permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 17:56

    Fico aguardando a famosa obra.
    Mas devo relembrar que há “tias” e “tias”…

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  19. Piscoiso's avatar
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 18:02

    Espero que o editor não se engane na conta bancária.

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  20. lucklucky's avatar
    lucklucky permalink
    8 Fevereiro, 2009 18:04

    “O problema do ocidente é que não entrevista nem passa entrevistas com muçulmanos seculares, que poderiam ajudar a dar voz aos moderados. Antes, passam a vida a dar voz aos radicais enfurecidos a ameaçar com a morte e a destruição……”

    Isso não pode acontecer. Os seculares estão muito mais próximos da Direita Europeia e isso seria o fim da Esquerda que domina os Media. Por isso o The Guardian, BBC, etc convidam o Hamas para falar e quando não para conferências reforçando assim a posição dos fundamentalistas.

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